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Shady
Grove Sector Plan
Environmental Focus Group - April 11, 2003
Attendees:
Tom Ogle, Montgomery County DEP/DEPC
Kay Guinane, Greater Shady Grove Civic Alliance
Pamela Lindstrom, Greater Shady Grove Civic Alliance
Tina Brown, Solutions Not Sprawl
Dolores Milmoe, Audubon Naturalist Society
Vince Berg, Montgomery County Resident
Stephen Caflisch, Sierra Club
Karen
Kumm-Morris, Claudia Kousoulas, Nkosi Yearwood, Sue Edwards
Community-Based Planning
Katherine Nelson, Mary Dolan, Michael Zamore, Environmental
Division
Doug Redmond, Parks Department
The meeting
began with a staff explanation of the planning process, the
draft redevelopment scenarios, and the area's environmental
issues. The group then discussed the environmental impacts
and opportunities created by redevelopment. Notes from the
discussion follow.
Plan
Concepts
- There
is no benefit to more housing around the Metro stations
if housing is also increased in outlying areas, such as
Olney. Particularly if satellite parking lots are not built
to reroute drivers.
- The
Plan's basic ideas are fabulous, taking the opposite perspective
of the Upper Rock Creek Plan that "dumps" housing
in what should be a low-density area. But together, the
two plans cancel each other out. Shady Grove should happen
instead of Upper Rock Creek, not in addition to. Need the
trade-off to effectively preserve, not just pack in more
people.
- The
Shady Grove Plan should include a section discussing coordination
with adjacent plans.
- There
is less support for smart growth ideas if they are seen
as an excuse for more traffic. Need to be regionally consistent.
- The
Plan's transportation analysis should include a scenario
that locates more housing in Shady Grove around the Metro
and removes it from Upper Rock Creek and Olney.
- Will
extra units in Shady Grove be presented as an alternative
to more units in Upper Rock Creek?
- Create
access to and throughout the community with as little reliance
on an expanded road system as possible.
- Take
an integrated approach that is more than superficial. Don't
defeat the success of the urban core with a window-dressing
of urbanism.
Affordable
Housing
- Affordable
housing and its impacts should be "counted" up
front and should be designed and sized to blend into the
overall community. Adequate public facilities should also
be in place.
- Is
there someone at Park and Planning who advocates for affordable
housing?
- What
are the characteristics of the Mill Creek community that
should be considered in the design and location of affordable
housing?
Site
Design
- Can
green space be created and captured in green buildings and
in site design, such as courtyards?
- Enable
underground, shared, and reduced parking to reserve green
space.
- Create
value to make underground parking feasible.
- Ensure
treescape along MD 355, around the Metro, and along Shady
Grove Road making them pleasant for walkers. Include below-ground
utilities as part of the boulevard character. An attractive
environment helps the community accept smart growth ideas.
- Can
the planned library at Laytonia be relocated to the Metro
core to support it as a community center?
- Use
aesthetic improvements to meet multiple goals: greening,
noise, visual, street safety (car speed). Use an integrated
approach of solutions and problems.
Plan
Recommendations
- Do
the draft recommendations reflect what was said at the charrettes?
- The
Plan recommendations should reflect the Level of Service
approved by the Planning Board northeast to Ridge Road.
- How
will the displaced service uses be handled?
Trails
and Bike Routes
- Does
the plan include any new paved trails? (Overall, there is
less pavement and expanded connections into Rock Creek Park.)
- Avoid
paving trails, however, it is good to have park access for
pedestrians.
- Bike
routes that tie Gaithersburg into the Metro and into Rock
Creek Park are long-desired routes.
- The
wildlife corridor needs to be preserved.
Water
Quality
- The
small pond across Crabbs Branch Way from the existing stormwater
management pond was intended to offer enhanced water quality
treatment.
- Does
the stream, now in an open culvert, have to be moved?
Reforestation
- Reforestation
is not triggered in Shady Grove by a loss of trees, in fact
treed and green areas will increase over what is present,
but by redevelopment. The Plan's recommendations cause no
tree loss.
- Could
the forest preserve required by reforestation standards be
located in a small area of the headwaters of Mill Creek and
help offset the impacts of the Oxbridge development on Mill
Creek?
- The Crabbs
Branch pond area is all reforested however, trees to the south
of the pound don't naturally regenerate, probably due to wetness.
- Could
reforest to the base of the stormwater management pond dam
along Derwood Station community.
- Could
also try reforestation on HOA common areas and on the Gude
landfill.
Noise
- The
area's soundscape is shaped by guidelines for transportation
and other noise sources. The County has recently adopted
a noise policy that includes highways and is based on the
impacts on the receiving property.
- Recommend
integrated site design that creates a transition of compatible,
adjacent uses. Do a review at site plan level that looks
at source and receiver and recommends realignment, attenuation,
barriers, and enhanced architecture. Apply ordinance standards
at final design.
- Require
at-grade rail crossing to be horn-free zones, use parking
garages or service sides of apartment buildings as noise
buffers. Low barriers work with rail lines.
- The
impact on communities of expanding noise walls is unpleasant,
should investigate and invest in more landscaping.
- Think
in terms of prevention first then protection. Include soundscape
recommendations in the Plan.
Roads
- The
ICC shouldn't be in the Plan. What are recommendations for
the ICC roadway and other routes?
- The
route of the ICC in this Plan takes up part of valuable
water and wildlife corridor. The M-83 extension also takes
up green space.
- Interchanges
should help traffic flow but also create pedestrian, bicycle
and local links.
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